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lil  ·  2683 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Should death Penalty be abolished?

    It confers right on victim, to justice
It depends on what you mean by justice.

    It acts as deterrence to some extent
I haven't seen any evidence of this. Have you? Does state-sanctioned murder teach people not to murder?

    About 140 countries have abolished it, mainly in Europe.
Mainly in the world. In North America 2/3 countries have abolished it.

What does USA, China, North Korea, Iran, and Saudia Arabia have in common?





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coffeesp00ns  ·  2683 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I absolutely agree. By comparison, we don't trash the car of people who get into accidents with other people, we don't poison people who are responsible for industrial accidents. We do punish these people, of course, but the whole Hammurabi thing the death penalty has going on is a little much.

Anyone who thinks that the "eye for an eye" is a good basis for a criminal justice system needs to listen to this episode of The Moth podcast..

When's the last time you yelled at someone who was yelling at you? Pent up emotional baggage you may have with that person aside, Did it really make you feel better? I can say honestly it's never made me feel better - it makes me feel empty, and doesn't make me less upset abut whatever I was yelling about.

Rejuvenation  ·  2682 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree that by seeking revenge we bring down the victims to status of murders and justice can not be retributive. Absolutely true that, an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind..

But at least there has to be some sort of punishment, say not for revenge but to prevent further demeaning crimes from happening? For deterrence?

Okay, death penalty is not justified, but there has to be life imprisonment.

After All we have to balance between Human rights of accused and rights of a society to live safely!

coffeesp00ns  ·  2682 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But at least there has to be some sort of punishment, say not for revenge but to prevent further demeaning crimes from happening? For deterrence?

well sure there should be punishment. In my view, the punishment we are giving people is a restriction from living a free life. realistically, punishing people for crimes does not tend to prevent those crimes from being committed again by other people, but we can prevent people who have been convicted of a crime from being able to commit that crime again.

b_b  ·  2682 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    In North America 2/3 countries have abolished it.

I'm just going to give you a "c'mon, really?" look here, and shake my hand disappointedly.

Canada is the only of the three that counts. Laws are only as good as their enforcement, and in Mexico the government and their proxies kill so many more people than all the death sentences in the US combined that it's laughable to claim that they have "abolished" anything. Mexico has abolished the death penalty in the same way that Iran has a free press. It's there on paper, and literally no where else.

lil  ·  2682 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Paper? Well at least it's abolished on paper. Have to start somewhere. And thank you for fact-checking me. (No sarcasm intended.)

Rejuvenation  ·  2682 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, I agree with you that justice does not mean vengeance..

With respect to deterrence aspect, See,we in India have death penalty and yet there are horrible crimes like rapes and murder. So it is not deterrent. In my view, life imprisonment is sufficient and for deterrence what we require is assured and quick punishment, not death penalty.

The countries you have mentioned have retained it, but they are in minority as you say.

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