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dublinben  ·  2823 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Leftists Should Have No Problem Voting For Hillary Clinton

I refuse to help perpetuate in any way the system that allows someone like Trump to have power over another person. Voting for anyone in this election grants legitimacy to the results, even if that means a President Trump.

>No thinking human being with access to the Internet should even be considering enabling Trump in any way, shape or form

I've said this before. Blame the Trump supporters. They're the ones who will put him in the White House, not Sanders supporters.





user-inactivated  ·  2823 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I refuse to help perpetuate in any way the system that allows someone like Trump to have power over another person

They're all like Trump, Trump is just not very good at it. You want to fight the good fight, join an activist group of whatever flavor appeals to you. Elections aren't revolutionary, they're about not getting worse and maybe, if you're lucky, pulling the Overton window a little further in your direction, and Sanders has done us all a disservice by leading people to believe a presidential election could ever be revolutionary.

b_b  ·  2822 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    ...Sanders has done us all a disservice by leading people to believe a presidential election could ever be revolutionary.

Obama already did that. Not sure where you live or what it was like there, but in 2008 I was living in the ghetto, and I never saw it happier ever. Bums were out on the street high five-ing, people were walking around smiling, and there was an electricity in the air that's hard to describe. It didn't last long, but I'll admit that I thought for a moment that the 08 election was going to be a new awakening. I didn't support Obama in the primary, but I was sure happy when he was elected.

user-inactivated  ·  2822 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And there was a lot of burnout once it was clear Obama wasn't going to deliver.

goobster  ·  2822 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Abdication of your responsibility as an American citizen to vote, is specifically empowering the shit that is going on in our society right now.

You think the majority of people in America voted for this, and want it this way?

No they didn't. Because less than 30% of Americans EVER vote.

So you wanna be all punk rock and individual and all "fuck the establishment"? Well then VOTE, moron. Otherwise you are just feeding yourself the Republican-funded pap that says "voting doesn't matter."

And being a tool and shill for the R talking points ain't punk rock at all.

kleinbl00  ·  2823 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I refuse to help perpetuate in any way the system that allows someone like Trump to have power over another person.

Then you refuse to sit it out, because inaction when your opponent is motivated and energized is accomplishing exactly that.

    Voting for anyone in this election grants legitimacy to the results, even if that means a President Trump.

That's a petulant bleat, not an argument. Make the argument.

    I've said this before. Blame the Trump supporters. They're the ones who will put him in the White House, not Sanders supporters.

Blame is not a binary condition, nor is it a limited commodity. They have more blame. That does not make you blameless.