I don't read the New Yorker. I find it tedious and overbearing. I was led to this by a bit in The Week:
- Students at Oberlin College are asking the school to put academics on the back burner so they can better turn their attention to activism. More than 1,300 students at the Midwestern liberal arts college have now signed a petition asking that the college get rid of any grade below a C for the semester, and some students are requesting alternatives to the standard written midterm examination, such as a conversation with a professor in lieu of an essay.
Okay, that's dumb. But Oberlin is dumb; they did that shit during the Vietnam War so who are you to say that Tamir Rice is less of a big deal? Going through the list of Oberlin alumni I see a long line of people I hate, and a couple who are occasionally brilliant. And the article has no shortage of entitled, spoiled children whingeing about tedious shit. Sticker price on an Oberlin education is, after all, $64k a year.
But $64k a year.
If I were 20 years old and racking up even ten percent of that debt as student loans, I'd feel pretty goddamn entitled, too... particularly when a degree from Oberlin is going to be only marginally effective at earning me a 2-year unpaid internship at Buzzfeed. It's entirely possible that for folks like Cyros Eosphoros, his short tenure at Oberlin will be the first and last time anyone accords him with any power whatsoever:
- Eosphoros is a trans man. He was educated in Mexico, walks with crutches, and suffers from A.D.H.D. and bipolar disorder. (He’d lately been on suicide watch.) He has cut off contact with his mother, and he supports himself with jobs at the library and the development office. He said, “I’m kind of about as much of a diversity checklist as you can get while still technically being a white man.”
And I wonder if perhaps that isn't at least part of the issue: we've created a system where students are clients, and they're paying for an extravagant 4-year vacation that will do precious little, comparatively speaking, to augment their autonomy, earning potential or place in society. They are, in many ways, the benefactors of Yuppie guilt, the vein tapped by the 'boomers to mea culpa for the fact that they're NOT retiring thankyouverymuch because they'd barely recovered from the crash of '99 by the time the crash of '08 wiped them out again so yeah, they'll chip in towards little Megan's college tuition because they can but as soon as she's out of college she's on her own.
This is an article about spoiled children and their effects on college diversity. I don't think, however, that the children should be blamed for their spoilage.
This is how Donald Trump happens, only in reverse.
The thing about this article, and articles like it, is that they look for the most extreme people that they can find at a place like Oberlin, and then write about them as if they represent the entire student body. That's like going to a Republican rally and looking for the people who are both KKK and NRA, then writing about the whole 40% of america's voting population as if they were all so. It's bad writing, it's shit generalization, and it screams "get off my lawn". It railroads over the fact that if you look through the babying, and the unrealistic demands, these people have some serious points. Let's face it, no one actually thinks that the "Taco with sombrero and moustache" costume is actually funny anyways, and what does being a "Sexy Indian" have to do with a spooky holiday? These costumes are inappropriate, and always were - but now the people to whom those symbols belong are calling us on our shit. That's a good point. Should the teacher be disciplined? Of course (of course in my country Free speech does not work the same way as if does in America), but you have to make sure that you are also being the same level of strict with any other kind of racism - Because that's what anti-semitism is, just another form of racism. Jews were seen as a distinct race of people for so long that there is a cultural concept of the jewish people as more than a religious group, but a race - thats why it was so easy to lump them together and hate them. This is the sort of thing, tucked in towards the end of the article, that the article should be written about. When we talk about Black Lives Matter, when we talk about Trans Lives Matter, maybe we should be looking at the broad spectrum of what they're saying and think "Hmm, got a point." As much as America in particular sees protest as part of its civil lifeblood, nobody likes protestors and it's easy to focus on how privileged these kids are. We can't forget though, that it is just this group of people - those who are privileged but feel powerless - who've been moving and shaking for good and bad for over a hundred years. Vietnam protests? Rich kids. Affirmative Action? Rich kids. Minimum wage? Rich kids. Suffragette Movement? Rich kids. Anti-Slavery? Rich Kids. Bolshevik Revolution? Kids of Russian Nobles whose roles had been slowly made redundant by the tsar - and the educated noble women who were told they could never use that education. French Revolution? Rich Merchant class people who wanted a voice in politics, and women of all classes who wanted the same. As you can tell by my examples, some of the things they've done are great, some of theme are terrifying. The last two examples in particular are what happens when you let this shit hang out in a pressure cooker, getting worse and worse until it explodes. Ignore them at your peril.At Yale, the associate head of a residence balked at the suggestion that students avoid potentially offensive Halloween costumes,[...] her remarks were deemed insensitive, especially from someone tasked with fostering a sense of community...
Adams believes that the Oberlin board’s denunciation of Joy Karega’s Facebook posts shows hypervigilance toward anti-Semitism and comparative indifference toward racial oppression.
“There’s been a shift from explicit racism to implicit racism,” she says. “It’s still racism. But now you’re criticized for complaining about it, because you’re allowed to go to college: ‘What are you complaining about? There’s a black President!’
And that's the whipsaw right there: for everything you protest for, you're protesting against. Speaking as a privileged white male, who pretends and aspires to some enlightenment, pretty much every adversarial position of every diversity protest ever staged has been against me. And that's appropriate. I be the privileged white male. But every time a minority group wishes to increase their inclusiveness, they need a villain. And that villain is me. And that's also appropriate. But there is no. FUCKING. WAY. I have ever dwelled in a universe where a $64k a year liberal arts education was any more likely than me winning Miss Black Universe. By arguing that I need to "check my privilege" the implied statement is that the accuser has none. And that is why these discussions go so south so quick: The accuser is arguing that they can speak for the oppressed while the accused can't and both of them are a fair sight better off than the object of discussion. It's a debate where both parties swarm to wrap themselves in oppression street cred when the fact of the matter is, divisions have to be played up and buttressed out in order to increase the power of rhetoric. Seattle went all-gender restrooms like a year ago. I went to a club like two months ago. Walked into a bathroom. Took a leak. Walked out. Two girls were giving me the stinkeye. Why? Because I'd walked into the restroom that used to be the women's room. See, for most people, all-gender restrooms means everyone but cisgender males gets their choice. Why? Because cisgender males are wrong by default. And here I am, using the phrase "cisgender male" unironically, because apparently that's what I need to do these days to speak to people but lemme tell ya: If I weren't reaching very deep into my well of understanding I'd have a hard time finding any sympathy with a cultural movement that feels A-OK beating the shit out of me for every transgression real or imagined that they or their eight generations of ancestors have ever experienced due to people they may or may not imagine I'm related to. And if I were an unemployed coal miner in West Virginia I'd have a great deal of difficulty finding the empathetic position with someone who identifies as "LatinX."Marc Blecher, an Oberlin professor of politics, had problems with the program at the time, in part, he said, because thinking in terms of cultural identities often leaves out a critical factor: class. He believes the problem goes back to the early days of boomer politics, which he experienced as an activist at Cornell, in the sixties. “When we opposed the Vietnam War, we didn’t take seriously that all the draft dodging we were doing was screwing black people and poor people and forcing them to go fight,” Blecher said one afternoon, in his office.
yeah, they do that to me all the time. Real horse hockey. Could be worse, I guess - I haven't had the police called on me yet. See, I seriously disagree with that, and anyone who you have run into who has used privilege in that way is not only wrong, but an idiot. All the people who are going to Oberlin are privileged. Some happen to be more privileged than others, but they are all privileged to go to a high class school in a safe (if a little boring - I've been there) town in the liberal north of a midwestern purple state. This is the thing about privilege, and that is super hard for people to understand (including the people who use it most), is that Everyone has advantages that others don't, and everyone has disadvantages that others don't. You grew up in New Mexico (at least part of the time). That means that you did not have the priviliges of an incredibly good upper class middle school in New York - let's say. that is a privilege that someone else has over you. Anyone, of any colour who had the Privilege of doing so, should acknowledge that and use what they gained from that experience to help the people who didn't have that. That help might be Donating to a school board, or donating to a school library, or it might be investing their life into education and becoming a teacher so that they can give back. it might just be as small as saying "you didn't learn that in school? It's cool man, let me show you this trick for it..." You're a white man. That means that, as of right now, when you do business with people they take you seriously. When you were a teen, however, you were pretty into the goth scene (right? I feel like we had this conversation). Were you ever followed around in a convenience store because you were dressed a certain way or looked a certain way? That's a privilege that you have over the past you, the adolescent person who is judged because of his clothing and long hair. Privilege doesn't mean your life's not shit, it means that even in your shit life you've had some ups that other people haven't, or experience to make you wiser. The people who gave you the stink eye in the restroom? they're idiots, and probably reacted the way they did because they're unreasonably afraid of gender neutral bathrooms. They took that fear out on you, and that is fucking wrong. Short, sort of unrelated story time re: how I feel about taking shit out on other people. The worst my depression ever got was November 11, 2007. After being confronted with unthinking behaviour, I yelled at my grandmother (whom I love dearly) and drove off. I parked in a coffee shop parking lot and was weeping when my dad called me - my grandmother was afraid for me. I knew I had to change, and I could never treat my grandmother like that again. When I started sitting down and actually dealing with my depression, I made a rule. If I had an angry moment, or an upsetting end to a conversation, I would go over that situation and ask myself if my anger was justified, if I was right to be upset. If it was, then no regrets. If I wasn't, then I had to turn around, go back and apologize for my actions. I did this as recently as yesterday afternoon, when I went back and apologized to my supervisor for being an asshole about shit she can't change. So, when I see those people taking their fear out on you I get pretty mad. However, you have a privilege over them - the likelihood that you will be overpowered in a bathroom and assaulted is significantly lower than theirs, so you don't need that fear as much as they need it. It doesn't make what they did and said okay, but it does mean that I can understand why they are afraid. People of any colour, race or creed can have a privilege over any other person - it's not some system that sets itself up directly to drag you down as a cisgender heterosexual white male. That being said, it can be used that way, and I would assert is being used that way by some of these students, and that's why I said we need to look at their broad points because these people are an extremeexample. They also, like Tea Partiers, just happen to be the loudest. My gender neutral friend from Costa Rica would be upset, but I Imagine they would charm the pants off of the coal miners if given a chance.Walked into a bathroom. Took a leak. Walked out. Two girls were giving me the stinkeye.
By arguing that I need to "check my privilege" the implied statement is that the accuser has none.
And if I were an unemployed coal miner in West Virginia I'd have a great deal of difficulty finding the empathetic position with someone who identifies as "LatinX."
The problem here is you're arguing the abstract, from your personal experience and credo, and I'm arguing the concrete. Yes. Absolutely. There are aspects of my past that chip away at the "privileged" label. Yes. Absolutely. There are aspects of the underprivileged that chip away at their "underprivileged" label. BUT IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. I've spent 20 years of my life apologizing for my whiteness. I'm "allowed" to speak freely about Israel because I'm jewish enough for the Right of Return. I'm "allowed" to have an opinion about racism as one of the few white people in the world to experience racism at the hands of another ethnicity. But I'm not jewish. And the prejudice I experienced is a tiny corner case of what the overwhelming majority of non-white people go through routinely. The bullshit part is that in the kabuki of privilege warfare, these meaningless gambits are enough to have my arguments listened to as a white man. They don't make my arguments more rational. They don't buttress my facts. All they do is allow me to wave my hands in front of my opponent and say "I'm less of a straight white protestant male than that imaginary boogeyman you think you're debating, therefore you're obligated to at least pay lip service to my arguments on their merits." _wage used to do that shit all the time: "Your argument is invalid because my childhood was tougher than yours." The fuck does that have to do with GDP? The whole privilege debate should be logos rhetoric: "here are the facts, here's what they mean." But the whole privilege debate is pathos rhetoric: "here are the facts, your interpretation is invalid because you're privileged." There is NOBODY - No. One. - who does not leverage their diminished privilege in order to argue that someone else has too much. And when you're a white male trying to talk about this shit, arguing that you understand someone else's viewpoint is the rhetorical equivalent of arguing that you have lots of black friends. This is why there's such a lower-class white backlash against "privilege" - it is assumed by default that all people with white skin and normative heterosexual preferences have more of it than every person without white skin or without heterosexual preferences. Us white guys aren't even allowed to argue that we have, at some point in the past, experienced hardship because it hasn't been institutionalized hardship. Yeah, the people giving me the stinkeye in the restroom are idiots. but their idiocy is sanctioned. At a baseline, being closed-minded is allowed if you're in the minority position - after all, you're oppressed. Which means, at a baseline, if you're in the majority you're an oppressor. Period. End of line. And you and I can talk in the concrete about what "you" and "I" feel and do but at the end of the day, it'll be a straight white male you don't know hating on your bathroom choices without knowing the first fucking thing about you and at the end of the day, it'll be someone other than a straight white male hating on me for, I dunno, resenting trigger warnings on ancient Greek plays and at the end of the day, you have it harder and I have it easier but this debate? It rarely fosters understanding.
"here are the facts, your interpretation is invalid because you're privileged."
The privilege model, moreover, was producing radicals who tried to convince American workers that they were getting more than their fair share, and that they should give up their already inadequate lifestyles, possessions, and class gains. It was manna from heaven for the ruling class. Holy shit.The term "privileges" was used to describe measures, such as relatively decent schools and medical care, to which whites received greater access. The problem with this conception is that these measures, rather than representing undeserved "privileges," were in fact reforms won by the working class through bitter struggle. These class gains represented the return of a small part of the great wealth held by capitalists that workers had produced. Privilege theory--on the basis of unequal access to these gains under racist American capitalism--converted hard-won class victories, reforms, and rights into "undeserved" workers' "privileges."
This article has totally dilated my understanding of privilege and racism, and of Marxism and capitalism in general. Pushing back the dark. Can you recommend anything more? Some thoughts: how enlightening but totally dispiriting it is to learn that privilege theory is so unproductively divisive on purpose. The theory's Stalinists-Maoists originators wanted to transmogrify the oppressor-oppressed relationship as then understood from capitalists-workers to Americans-Third World peoples. Privilege theory has been modified since its inception in the ~60s to its more contemporary meaning of white-skinned privilege at the expense of POC in the United States. While I could intellectually understand why I should excuse myself from, say, a Black Lives Matter protest I attended while in Boston, it always felt somewhat counterproductive. But I couldn't articulate it why (especially when being reminded of, and sometimes verbally attacked for, my whiteness and maleness and straightness. But I don't want to make this about me.) Whereas in the late '60s and early '70s, the raised fist--Black and white--expressed political, anti-racist, class solidarity for a generation, today's popular symbols of anti-racist resistance (hands raised in the "Don't Shoot" stance, hoodies, and "I am Trayvon Martin" signs) are sometimes argued by privilege advocates to be inappropriate for whites. In what would have been anathema to anti-racist movements of the past, some privilege advocates call upon whites to identify as whites--as part of a community with racists--instead of identifying themselves as anti-racist fighters. I think it a valid argument that racism is a tool of the ruling class to neutralize the working class's greatest tool, cohesion and unity. And furthermore, as total and urgent as racism and an awareness of privilege feels to my peers, it's fair to say that it is subordinate to the ultimate issue, the tension between the ruling-, landed-, capitalist-class and the working-class. But I don't know how likely it is that I could ever convince my black and/or activist friends to join a Marxist organizing group.The destructive and divisive atmosphere often found in today's privilege-checking culture reflects both the toxic sectarian factionalism of the theory's originators, and the light years we have travelled from the civil rights and Black Power movements. Then, white radicals in this country routinely participated in and helped organize demonstrations and activities in support of anti-racist causes and campaigns--the victorious "Free Huey [Newton]" campaign (involving the Black Panther's shoot-out with the police), an international cause célèbre, being one example. Then, Black and white militants joined forces in the interests of necessity and revolutionary unity. In today's left, by contrast, white activists may "excuse" themselves, or be discouraged, from joining and organizing anti-racist protests, on the "privilege" basis that they cannot possibly understand the Black experience of oppression and should not act like they do.
Ted Allen's own theory evolved in much the same direction.
I agree. It's a non-starter. That's why I never use it. As I am wont to say, Suffering is not a penis game where one drops trow to measure.
I wouldn't go this far, although I'm sure some people would. At the end of the day, being a white heterosexual male means that you are likely to experience advantages compared to people who don't fit into one (or any) of those categories. That doesn't mean that you should spend every second of every day trying to atone for that privilege, but that you should try to be aware of your position relative to others. Nor does it mean that any hardship you experience is insignificant or should be ignored because of your (relatively) privileged position. People who try to convince you otherwise are just narcissistic assholes, regardless of their ethnicity/gender/orientation. Which means, at a baseline, if you're in the majority you're an oppressor.
the fundamental basis of this discussion is that narcissistic assholes are allowed to be narcissistic assholes... so long as they aren't white males. And while the right to be a narcissistic asshole is a poor substitute for the right to be given the benefit of the doubt in pretty much every societal transaction, it still means that us white males must studiously bite our tongues when we encounter a narcissistic asshole... because otherwise, we're (A) racists (B) homophobes (C) misogynists (D) all of the above simply for calling a spade a spade, an idiom that dates to Plutarch, but which you're likely to get called a racist over because if someone thinks it's offensive, it's offensive.
I think you misunderstood the the ordinance. http://www.seattle.gov/civilrights/gender-justice-project/all-gender-restrooms seems to only apply to public spaces. I'm not sure a club that charges cover applies. Also seems to only apply to single stall bathrooms which should have been all unisex anyway but for some stupid reason werent.Seattle went all-gender restrooms like a year ago. I went to a club like two months ago. Walked into a bathroom. Took a leak. Walked out. Two girls were giving me the stinkeye. Why?
That's a good point. Is it a good point? The professor made clear negative comments toward a group of people. Is it fair to compare that to a societal trend? I'm pretty sure if a professor said something clearly negative toward another group they'd have been dealt with similarly. The comparison is apples and potatoes.Adams believes that the Oberlin board’s denunciation of Joy Karega’s Facebook posts shows hypervigilance toward anti-Semitism and comparative indifference toward racial oppression.
Potatoes are "pommes de terre" in french - earth apples. ... does that mean that the two points are sort of related? that's how it seems to me. I think they're also talking about a societal trend of hypervigilance to antisemitic thought, not just one person in one place - in which case it is apples to apples. As far as I understood it, they're making the assertion that if one of their other profs made similar statement, but about say, "them wetbacks", that the prof wouldn't get the same level of discipline. Do I believe that? no. Do I believe that they believe it? sure. Who's in a better place to say? fuck, Idunno. In a lot of ways I kind of wish that I'd not really said anything because I'm not exactly enamoured with the whole "privilege" thing and don't ever use it in my personal life. I mean, I think it's a good idea to talk about, and to use as a tool of self-betterment, but using it against other people is garbage.
This is Hubski. I'm glad you said something to spur me to think about it in different ways. One point you said in your first post is "do they have a point? Yes." (I may be paraphrasing; quoting multiple posts is a tad annoying on my phone.) I emphatically agree with you here. There is a huge amount of noise distracting from the main issues that far too many people face. Even if I'm critical of some of the noise, I hope I'm not dismissive of those main issues.In a lot of ways I kind of wish that I'd not really said anything
I'm only a paragraph in, and barely at that, but it's already so fucking ironic to read an article about Oberlin proclaiming "Class and race mattered." If you're a student at Oberlin, you got miles of privilege above the kids who actually feel the reality of that statement, any day. Two bold section headers in and I posit discussions of privilege are inherently tied into an emotional Maslow's hierarchy: it is those who are fulfilled in most every other basic sense who can afford to make the most fuss about privilege. Not those who find themselves afforded the least. Are you kidding me what the fuck. Do you think your employers are going to just let you skip out on work for a quarter because you are engaged in political protests? You think you should be excused failing grades because your political activism prevented you from doing your classwork? HAVE YOU TRIED SWITCHING TO A POLISCI MAJOR MAYBE THAT WILL HELP . Ugh I can't even, this article is full of first world problems that are richer than double chocolate cheesecake. Talk to me when you are eating rice and beans . I will add one more comment. My parents raised me in an environment which they attempted to control and keep 'safe' every way they could. The result was that when I went to college I was completely naive and unprepared for the realities of life without hovering, protective guardians. That meant I got to make all the delicious awful mistakes for myself, a lot, alone. I do not support the idea of keeping children safe, or college students, for that matter. I believe that people who are "safe" do not grow. They do not learn how to deal with trouble because it is kept apart from them. When they finally encounter trouble, they are spectacularly fucked in knowing how to deal with it. My cat likes to bat at candle flames. I let him. If he doesn't learn that the flame will burn his paw first hand, he will not learn. Nothing I can do will stop him from liking the flame. You can tell a kid the stove is hot as often as you want to but the kid is only going to really take it to heart once they touch it for themselves.More than thirteen hundred students signed a petition calling for the college to eliminate any grade lower than a C for the semester
Fuck Maszlow, the author went for fuckin' de Toqueville: But he plants it: But then here's the tricky part: What do you do when your black professor posts antisemitic shit to Facebook?Two bold section headers in and I posit discussions of privilege are inherently tied into an emotional Maslow's hierarchy: it is those who are fulfilled in most every other basic sense who can afford to make the most fuss about privilege.
In “The Old Regime and the Revolution,” a study of political ferment in late-eighteenth-century France, Alexis de Tocqueville observed that, in the decades leading up to the Revolution, France had been notably prosperous and progressive. We hear a lot about the hunger and the song of angry men, and yet the truth is that, objectively, the French at the start of the seventeen-eighties had less cause for anger than they’d had in years. Tocqueville thought it wasn’t a coincidence. “Evils which are patiently endured when they seem inevitable, become intolerable when once the idea of escape from them is suggested,” he wrote. His claim helped give rise to the idea of the revolution of rising expectations: an observation that radical movements appear not when expectations are low but when they’re high, and vulnerable to disappointment.
A quad-size version of this drama is unfolding. “This is the generation of kids that grew up being told that the nation was basically over race,” Renee Romano, a professor of history at Oberlin, says. When they were eleven or twelve, Barack Obama was elected President, and people hailed this as a national-historic moment that changed everything. “That’s the bill of goods they’ve been sold,” Romano explains. “And, as they get older, they go, ‘This is crap! It’s not true!’ ” They saw the deaths of Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice. And, at schools like Oberlin, they noticed that the warm abstractions of liberalism weren’t connecting with the way things operated on the ground.
There have been an awful lot of people who aren't right wing nutjobs taking up the right wing nutjob antisemitic and masonic conspiracy theories lately, and it's really weird because it's not like the Internet doesn't give you the means to look into where they come from.
Universities turning into businesses where students are customers is surely a thing, but I don't think it's the primary cause here. Generations of activists bumping up against "your thing isn't real"/"it would be too much trouble to accommodate you" over real issues came to see resistance to anyone's demands as wrong because the resistance to their demands were, often if not always, wrong, and as those activist's causes get incorporated into the mainstream that sense that you never say "no" comes with them and spoiled children get spoiled. It'll pass, better to just write it off as the price we're paying for the institutional inertia of the past.
| we've created a system where students are clients, and they're paying for an extravagant 4-year vacation that will do precious little, comparatively speaking, to augment their autonomy, earning potential or place in society. The "students as clients" issue is becoming increasingly common in higher ed, and it really is up to administrative staff to stand up to requests that interfere with academic integrity on the basis of "I'm paying for it". If you want to spend 40-60 hours a week on activism, all the more power to you. But your essay is still going to be assessed on the same criteria as everyone else's. Or, to put it more bluntly, you pay to take a class, not to pass it (or to get an A in it). Of course, that doesn't always happen. As for the "extravagant 4-year vacation", that's more debatable. I do think there are significant benefits to receiving an education at a college/university in terms of income, employment options, and cultural capital, as well as in developing certain things like critical thinking (which is a term that gets thrown around a lot, but still means quite a bit).
To elaborate: I did a lot of work as an architectural consultant for universities. Sometimes they were classrooms. More often they were rec facilities, stadia, etc. There's a great book called College Unbound by the editor of the Chronicle of Higher Ed who breaks down where college costs are going, and they are decidedly not going towards academics. The appeal colleges are using nowadays aren't about the curriculum but the facilities. The dorms. The rec centers. The concierge service. From a recruitment standpoint, academics are no longer driving the bus. Meanwhile, a college education is still valuable, but the marginal utility of a 4-year private degree compared to "any damn degree" is falling. $64k a year x 4 years = $240k. You can open a Subway with that, free and clear.
Only 59% of students who enroll graduate, and on average a student is enrolled for around 6 and 1/3 years. So when calculating average ROI you can basically double your 240K Source for 6 year claim:$64k a year x 4 years = $240k
cost is actually higher than that.
That may be true in general, but evidently at Oberlin 75.8% of undergrads finish within 4 years. It's also worth noting that most of the kids who go to Oberlin would likely be going to another institution where their parents would be paying tuition, so it's unlikely that the choice is between paying $64K and paying nothing. Not to say that Oberlin is cheap or that their costs are justifiable to the average person.Only 59% of students who enroll graduate, and on average a student is enrolled for around 6 and 1/3 years. So when calculating average ROI you can basically double your 240K
Only 59% of students who enroll graduate, and on average a student is enrolled for around 6 and 1/3 years. So when calculating average ROI you can basically double your 240K
| The appeal colleges are using nowadays aren't about the curriculum but the facilities. I'd say that's part of it, but not all of it. Yes, there are bigger expectations from colleges in terms of facilities, and that's perhaps doubly true of private institutions that charge exorbitant tuition. But a lot of the appeal of 4-year colleges is still in the ability of a 4-year degree to open up career paths in "white collar"/prestigious jobs. Of course, you don't need to go to Oberlin to do that. But I'm sure that the parents paying 64K/year for their kids to go to Oberlin don't want their kid to be a franchise manager. They want them to be lawyers, doctors, dot-com entrepreneurs, or some other Well-Paying White Collar job. Those parents are also probably wealthy enough that $240K over four years doesn't mean that much, and they'd rather little Johnny or little Jackie have the "best possible experience", which includes new dorms, shiny rec centres, and low student-to-teacher ratios.
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I read the article and there is just no reality. Activism wage? This baffles me the most because what college would actually pay for activism? A trigger warning for Antigone? I bet there's a call for Huckleberry Finn to be censored as well somewhere. It seems like everything at Oberlin is just thin ice that will be broke by a whisper and when that ice breaks, a bunch of polar bears will attack whoever breaks the ice.
I am neither brilliant nor did I attend Oberlin.