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War  ·  1818 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How Americans United for Life Is Reshaping States' Abortion Laws - The Atlantic

Took a required seminar last semester that's focus was reproduction in politics.

    Also this year, Arkansas enacted HB 1578, based on AUL’s “Women’s Right to Know Act,” which requires that doctors who perform abortions describe to women “the probable anatomical and physiological characteristics of the unborn child at the time the abortion is to be performed.” The law also includes AUL-suggested language instructing doctors to tell women that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks of gestation—even though ACOG says it’s unlikely pain is felt before 29 weeks. (Arkansas’ law also includes the chemical-abortion reversal provision.)

My professor was actually doing some work on the informed consent laws. She has been collecting all of the information that is given to a women during the process of getting an abortion, and actually combing through for scientific inaccuracies. This is of course with the help of numerous scientist in the respective fields. Her goal is to determine how scientifically accurate the state mandated information actually is. Although she has just begun her research, she remarks that a lot of this information required by the state is actually made by the state (The state which has no actual expertise in the field).

    “States can't outlaw abortion,” McConchie responded. “That does not mean there's a constitutional right to abortion being convenient.”

Eh there kinda is, it's just the definition of "undue burden" has been warped EXTREMELY over time. In Casey v Planned Parenthood the SCOTUS established the undue burden measurement in which as long as any law did not place any undue burden upon the women's ability to receive the abortion it was legal. These waiting periods, and admitting requirements have had a severe effect on underprivileged women's ability to receive the procedure. Most of the pro-life movement deny those numbers though.

    This liberalism breeds what the group believes is a wildly under-regulated abortion industry. In 2010, the most recent year for which CDC data are available, 10 women died as a direct result of an abortion.

Well, it only makes sense that they would quote that, but it's wrong. The way the CDC defines an abortion-related death is ridiculous, and in no way do they define it as only direct.

    An abortion-related death is defined as a death resulting from a direct complication of an abortion (legal or illegal), an indirect complication caused by a chain of events initiated by an abortion, or an aggravation of a preexisting condition by the physiologic or psychologic effects of abortion (37). All deaths determined to be related causally to induced abortion are classified as abortion-related regardless of the time between the abortion and death. In addition, any pregnancy-related death in which the pregnancy outcome was induced abortion regardless of the causal relation between the abortion and the death is considered an abortion-related death.

I mean look at that, seriously? That is pulled directly from the report published by the CDC.

These groups are really hard to get along with honestly. The pro-life movement is simply an anti-abortion movement. The group itself doesn't actually fight for any other cause, but abortion (Unless you count the most recent fight over doctor-assisted suicide). What about genocide, famine, war, and all the other issues plaguing life?

Hertha  ·  1818 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for the additional insight. I find the last part of your comment troubling. There will always be a minority group trying to shove their oppinion down everyone else's throat, the real problem is the system, that let's them. The sole purpose of a state is to better the inhabitents lifes. If a government fails to protect from AUL etc, the government has failed.

War  ·  1818 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm glad I could provide more insight haha. I actually had to stop myself because it really isn't worth making conversation. I've debated, discussed, and any other type of exchange of words with members of the pro-life movement. The problem is there are no concessions with them. Maybe 90% of the members I've spoken with entered the conversation with the mentality that "I was wrong and they were right."