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amouseinmyhouse  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Deleterious community tags

Any way to combine tags with users?

For example, if I know a user tags actual spam posts as spam I could filter spam.gallant. If another user tags everything he doesn't agree with as spam I could choose to not filter spam.goofus.

It requires non-anonymous tagging but since this is a site based on personal accountability, that might not be terrible.





lke  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think every tag should have an user attached to it implicitly. That is tagging a post with a certain tag should also make it appear in #tag.username of the tagging user. But the personal tag doesn't appear in the tag list unless it was explicitly set.

Imagine oscar is a top contributor, posting interesting articles on all sorts of subject, but also a fan of an underwater pan flute group of which he posts videos day in and day out under the tag #music. In this condition following oscar would mean a sizable portion of my feed is now underwater pan flute. But I don't want to filter #music because I actually like music that's not underwater pan flute. If all tag are implicitly attached to the user I could follow oscar and filter #music.oscar without oscar having to used one off this 2 tags as #music@

I don't know if that would work for the matter at hand but it would be very helpful to combine tags & user when following or filtering.

steve  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

this was a feature until somewhat recently - but I can't remember all of the reasons why it was removed. It let me follow #thenewgreen, but filter out #music.thenewgreen because he always drones ON and ON about the effing beatles....

I kid of course, about the beatles, but there was, at one time, this feature.

mk  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, we implemented it a year ago:

This is some of the reasoning we had for removing it:

cgod  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I really liked username tagging. There is so much garbage in tags like music, but a few people post really great stuff, user name tags made these easier to sort.

syzo  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Music is definitely a thing you have to split up into genres and follow the tags like that. There's no way i'd subscribe to /r/music on reddit, but i follow a bunch of more-specific subs and find a lot of good music that way.

This method doesn't work well unless everyone starts using genre-specific tags, though. It also sucks when you want to subscribe to something like "interesting music from obscure artists", where it doesn't necessarily have to fall under any specific genre.

But yeah i would definitely post a lot of music to #music.syzo if i could, but otherwise i feel like i'm just shoveling on more garbage to #music and would be a good way to get me filtered.

CraigEllsworth  ·  3201 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I started posting music under both #music (or #metal) #music.CraigEllsworth, but I just removed the #music.CraigEllsworth from my music posts because the tag makes it sound like I made the music myself, when of course that's not what I mean. I suppose it would make more sense to put it back on my music posts?

cgod  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

People are often as good as general when the community is this small.

steve  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

and I remembered that there were reasons for removing it... I just couldn't remember those reasons. :-)

user-inactivated  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That actually sounds like a half decent solution. I wonder how it would play out in practice.

insomniasexx  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You guys are like 4 months too late. We did this and it wasn't used much and didn't provide much value. The reasons lke explained above were our intentions but once implemented, people just didn't use them much. Here, take a look:

amouseinmyhouse  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I feel like the solution in this case and at this size is just to ask people to stop as "building for where you are going might not be the best strategy for where you are currently at."

But now I see a puzzle and I want to think about it more.

In keeping with three tags and trying to keep things simple for the user, would setting a preference for community tags attack the issue? For example you have Abe, Betty, and Charles. You like Abe's tags but because he thinks differently but doesn't check hubski that much so his are rarely the community tags. Betty's are good and they are what other people commonly tag as too. Charles' tags are also followed by the community but they are groupthink-y a lowest common denominator.

A drop down on their profiles could set their community tag priority as low, medium, or high, with each step up overriding the others and everyone being medium by default. This way I could follow a users 'personal tags' without the user subjecting the community to their personal critique.

Two problems with this: I don't know enough about how community tags are changed to be able to say if this idea really fits and, while I don't see exactly how, it would seem that a system like this could lead to a kind of cabal or 'back room' of hubski that's not in line with transparency.

EDIT: This might be too far out there but that community tag could override your filter preferences. So if Abe sets a tag I follow on a post with a tag I don't, it comes into my feed. If charlie sets a tag I follow on a post with tags I don't, it still doesn't come into my feed.

amouseinmyhouse  ·  3207 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Once tags have names attached to them the system could be gamed in terms of organizing witch hunts, but that seems like a pervasive threat any way.

An alternative to the above would be to allow you to prevent individuals from tagging your posts in the same way you can prevent individuals from commenting on your posts. This wouldn't necessarily require names to be attached to tags since, in a town as small as hubski you could probably pinpoint the perpetrator, but it would be aided by named tagging.