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MadEmperorYuri  ·  3212 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What are Hubski's Political Views?

    When few people are given the power to rule the many, even when their mandate is one of service, that power corrupts. I believe that instead of governments we should have trade bodies, collectives that represent the people that work in their trade. These bodies decide the value of the goods they produce and trade them with others.

That just means that we'll have rulers naturally selected based on their access to valuable resources and labor for which others are willing to pay highly.

    People are, on the whole, self policing, meaning that an expensive and corrupt justice system is largely unnecessary. Instead, since the system would allow 0% unemployment, people who do wrong are punished by their peers.

But what does "policing" mean? Somebody could decide policing means making sure all the purple people work in the fields 16 hours a day while the yellow people take care of "managing" them, and that all people with long hair should be the docile, domestic property of people with short hair. Anything else would be a crime, and there would be no mechanisms or safeguards to ever change that state of affairs.

0%? You're going to work the elderly? The children? The pregnant and the injured and the sick?

    The most corrupting thing in our society, money, would also be unnecessary. Since the trade bodies set the value of their goods, they can negotiate fair value for what the people they represent need in exchange for what those people produce.

But what if group X wants something only group Y can and does produce, but group X has nothing group Y wants? What if group X's people are in danger of great suffering without group Y's product?





HairyLenny  ·  3210 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    That just means that we'll have rulers naturally selected based on their access to valuable resources and labor for which others are willing to pay highly.
The fact that the bodies are chosen by the people they represent (like a labour union) they can be replaced as soon as they are seen to be doing something their constituents don't like. (Instead of having to wait up to four years as is the case in the current system.

As for the self policing idea, since the representatives are not anything more than simply representatives, should they decide that only the purples had to work, the purples could have that person replaced immediately since there's no need to wait for an election.

Of course the elderly and sick etc wouldn't have to work, 0% unemployment doesn't mean that, it means that everybody who can work, does. With a welfare system to care for those who are more vulnerable and an education system that actually teaches children things that can help them contribute to society.

If group X wants something that group Y prooduces but group Y wants nothing group X produces then group Z can get involved in a trade. Similar to how multi-team trades work in baseball. X wants timber which is produced by Y. Y wants grain which is produced by Z. Z wants fruit which is produceed by X. X sends fruit to Z in exchange for grain which it then trades with Y for timber.