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low_ho_fosho  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Imagine if the media covered alcohol like other drugs

OK, that's just like, your opinion, man.

It's a common argument because it's a good argument. It absolutely adds something to the discussion, because it shows how our acceptance of alcohol is just a fluke of chemistry.

    it ignores the reasons that alcohol is a huge part of society.

Did I not explain why it was a huge part of society? It's easy to make, every human society has access to it, it's fun, and it allows you to be social. Other drugs are fun and let you be social too, they just haven't been as accessible as alcohol. It is ignorant and hypocritical to celebrate alcohol consumption while frowning upon the recreational use of other, safer drugs like marijuana.

    Starting from a point of "This is how things are" allows you to explain why that shouldn't be the case instead of the equivalent of pointing at a kid in the cafeteria and whining that he has two ice creams and you don't have any.

I can't figure what the point is you're trying to make here. Maybe you want to rewrite it?





MadEmperorYuri  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So hang on.. Are you guys arguing about what's a good argument for legalizing marijuana or what's a good argument for banning alcohol? Because the original article could go either way.

And that's important here because the article makes a far better argument for legalizing marijuana than it does for banning alcohol. And if you two are thinking about different conclusions that could be drawn, that might be an unseen disagreement going on here.

tacocat  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm arguing that you can't compare alcohol being legal to anything else being illegal without ignoring why it's legal and generally oversimplifying your point to the level of a grade school argument over what's fair

MadEmperorYuri  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So it's an argument from tradition? We have legal alcohol and illegal marijuana because history, therefore the present state of affairs is defensible?

If pointing out an inconsistency risen from historical circumstances is so childish, then I guess that would make Women's Suffrage, the Civil Rights Movement, and the Marriage Equality movement all "grade school arguments over what's fair" as well.

jewbey  ·  3229 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the problem is that he wasn't necessarily defending it because of its traditional value. I think what he was trying to get across is that it is a relevant part of the issue, and one that was completely ignored by the article. I don't think it was pro-alcohol or anything, but a criticism of the argument itself. That was just my interpretation of the argument though, i don't want to be putting words in the tacocat's mouth.

tacocat  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You basically just compared buying a beer to slavery. You are part of the reason I don't talk about drugs on the Internet. I'm glad you're clever enough to find a rhetoric flaw with a statement by someone who probably agrees with you but I will continue to dread an orange hubwheel today.

MadEmperorYuri  ·  3230 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sorry, no. It's actually like I compared buying a beer to civil rights. What I did was illustrate the absurdity of your argument by applying it to a well-known situation that everybody has come to agree on. I did not alter the form of your argument.

Perhaps I should illustrate more clearly?

    I'm arguing that you can't compare interracial marriage being legal to anything else being illegal (e.g. gay marriage) without ignoring why it's legal and generally oversimplifying your point to the level of a grade school argument over what's fair

I just took alcohol and marijuana and replaced them with interracial marriage and gay marriage. That's it. I did not suggest that buying a beer is bad like slavery, so we should make it illegal along with marijuana.