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comment by kleinbl00

The more I learn of internet companies, the more I'm convinced you don't have to get it right, you have to get it first. Amazon still hasn't gotten online shopping right. Their search engine is shit. Their recommendations are often insane. But they were the first to scrabble up the pile which gives them the ability to kick down at everyone else. Facebook is a horrible social network. However, it was the first social network that didn't look like your teenage daughter's messy bedroom.

Google also forgot one of their cardinal rules with Google plus - provide value for the user so that Google can provide value for its clients. There was nothing compelling, in and of itself, about Google plus. The nuances between Google and Facebook were entirely lost on all but the corner cases since the primary advantages were privacy and Hangouts and nobody understands their privacy or why they shouldn't just use Skype. On the other hand, any monkey understands he's being forced to create a Google plus profile in order to watch Youtube videos, and since he didn't used to have to do that he's going to resent it, not embrace it.

It's embarrassing for Google "don't be evil" plus to lose out to Facebook due to network effects. This is a company that drove every single road in the world in order to get better maps but they couldn't come up with a better reason for people to use plus other than "because I said so." Google has $400bln in market cap. They throw shitty content at me all the time. What if they'd spent 1% of that on driving adoption of google plus through carrot instead of stick - what would it look like now?

Google has been described as a company of engineers trying to make the world a better place... for better or for worse. Engineers are not the guys you want driving your social media bus. Wave, Glass, Buzz, Plus... they're geeky nerd tools that Google expected average citizens to adopt. I wonder if this will be seen as a wake-up call that sometimes the application matters more than the solution.





mk  ·  3341 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree with all of this. I bet Craig does too.

What I didn't realize 1328 days ago was that Facebook had solved enough people's social network problems by that point. I came to Facebook late, and never really felt the need for FB or Google+.

I saw Alexis Ohanian give a talk at UofM last year. One thing that he related that I recall was that Paul Graham had told him not to fret about the competition (Digg). He said something to the effect of: "Let your competition kill itself. Just worry about not killing yourself."

I think that much is possible: it's Facebook's game to lose, not Google's game to win.

kleinbl00  ·  3341 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's interesting, though - Digg was making money. Granted, they had to make a lot more money than Reddit; they had like ten times the staff at the time of implosion. But Reddit now has about 5x the staff it did at the Digg implosion and they're clearly attracting talent through options. Yet it not only makes no money, it doesn't even have a profit model.

Digg should have won. Its content was fresh _enough_ for what they were doing, and they were monetizing it successfully. They just demonstrated succinctly that they cared much more about monetization than they did about their users and that was that.

I read an economics book once that remarked that just because the Soviets lost the Cold War didn't mean the United States won... it just meant they lost second. I remain unconvinced about the long-term health of Reddit. You're right, though; it's Facebook's game to lose.

user-inactivated  ·  3341 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The more I learn of internet companies, the more I'm convinced you don't have to get it right, you have to get it first.

Yup.

    Engineers are not the guys you want driving your social media bus.

YUP.