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am_Unition  ·  3648 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 'bl00's Reviews #1: "Thinking Fast & Slow" (AKA "Scumbag Daniel Kahneman")

Thanks, I thoroughly enjoyed the synopsis.

Economics just kind of pisses me off in general, I kind of regard it as an even more extreme example of Feynman's hate of social sciences/bad science. I don't harbor the firmness of his convictions... I do think there is some utility in studying things like economics and sociology, but I like to keep them at arm's length, personally.

Anyway, that's another matter completely... physics has spoiled me with its absoluteness.

If I ever do get the urge to dive into econ, I'll start (and probably finish) with Ariely.

I appreciate the advice.

Edit: not a bad 'shop with the scumbag cap either, 'bl00.





kleinbl00  ·  3648 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Behavioral economics is not economics. Behavioral economics is possibly the antithesis of economics. This book is basically the argument "you do things that don't make economic sense because you're an idiot." Other books are basically the argument "economics doesn't make sense because we have emotions."

Kahneman will make an argument about framing effect by saying that in a study where people are primed with pictures of dollar bills they answer survey questions with less empathy, therefore people are stupid. Ariely will make an argument about framing effect by pointing out that you think nothing of spending $2000 on leather seats when you buy a new car because you're already buying a new car, but quake at the thought of spending $2000 on a leather sofa that you will likely sit in more often because the sofa isn't part of a $30,000 car purchase.

am_Unition  ·  3648 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This book is basically the argument "you do things that don't make economic sense because you're an idiot." Other books are basically the argument "economics doesn't make sense because we have emotions."

Although I do consider myself to be rather idiotic, I much prefer the second argument. In reality, it's probably a combination of the two. Kahneman is right though; most people are idiots. The problem is that the level of idiocy in anyone taking the time to read his book (a.k.a. his target audience) is generally far removed from the general populace.

    Kahneman will make an argument... Ariely will make an argument...

I know you're condensing things considerably, but I'm liking Ariely more and more, and Kahneman less and less.

Thanks for the thread. :)

kleinbl00  ·  3648 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There are stupid people in the world, no doubt, and we all do stupid things. But - statistically - speaking:

1) If "an idiot" is someone of subpar intelligence

2) and if "idiocy" is what drives things then

3) We need to redefine "idiot" because we can't all be one.

That's why I like Ariely's books better - he starts with the default notion that if perfectly normal people have these perfectly abnormal reactions, perhaps our idea of "abnormal" needs examination. 'cuz you know what? Human nature is human nature and we're probably a lot better off revising our theories than expecting people to conform to them.

And truth: Dan Ariely starts out his book by explaining that he got started studying people's irrational behavior because as a soldier in the IDF a flare blew up while he was loading it and gave him 3rd degree burns over 70% of his body, so he had an incentive to study pain management - in particular, the idea that ripping off a bandage is better than tugging it slowly. When he needs an example for "buyer's remorse" for his second book he talks about how his doctors told him he should probably ditch the arm because he'll never be able to use it again and it'll hurt like a mutherfucker the rest of his life (and he concedes they were right, but it's not like he can get it amputated now).

Dude is baller. Talks about how "before a mortar shell flayed off my skin I was reasonably attractive. After, I was a horrific burn victim. I had to readjust my romantic expectations. Let's write a chapter about that and then talk about how awesome my wife is."