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_refugee_  ·  2237 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubski Book Club: Watchmen Discussion Part 1 [final discussion March 1st]

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Laurie filling a slot - and/or Laurie & Janey just being interchangeable objects, which then opens up a nice presentation into probably how Jon feels about all humans all the time, right? Which would make sense for why he decided to save the earth - one human equals all humans, and so on (although to be honest it seems like it's on a whim and not really because of Laurie at all, just "oh you're so special i'm going to make this seem like it's about you"). Is this spoilers? Am I getting ahead of myself here? I don't know where we were supposed to stop.

    Doctor Manhattan isn't John Osterman

I could keep drawing Swamp Thing parallels here, except I think everyone else would get bored with me. The Swamp Thing isn't Alec Holland either and that's something he seems to grapple with pretty constantly - while on the meantime, it doesn't seem to bother Jon at all that Jon is no longer human/who he used to be. I mean, (Swamp Thing Spoilers) ST went and dug up the skeleton of his old body and gave it a burial, as opposed to Jon who didn't have a body left behind and just reconstructed one out of air and his powerfulpowerful consciousness.

I have always thought Superman was just plain old boring because he is just so vanilla plain-jane good, but I have never read the comics on him himself, just seen the videos and live-action comics and suchlike.





kleinbl00  ·  2237 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've got jasmine on my deck. It was a gift to my wife. It's a pain in the ass to keep alive, but I do it because I'm fond of the jasmine.

Does not mean I relate to the jasmine.

Doctor Manhattan has a human habit. He's clearly not one of us, though. Given the choice between helping humans or hurting humans he'll help because he's not malevolent... but he's got no skin in the game. That's one of the allusions Moore and Gibbons are making about power - the more of it you have, the less the little people matter to you.

It's something Moore didn't feel with Swamp Thing. Swamp Thing is very much not omnipotent. As super powers go, he's basically a more durable version of Bigfoot. He's also barely interested in protecting humans - he mostly cares about nature. Moore makes a point with Swamp Thing that if Swamp Thing weren't there, "bad things would happen" but bad things happen anyway. With Doctor Manhattan not there, the world teeters towards armageddon.

briandmyers  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think Doctor Manhattan, in some ways, represents nuclear weaponry. A new thing in the world, with more power than we really know what to do with.

I've always wondered why Jon chose to make his body so un-human - surely he could have done it differently if he wished? Maybe just a literary device.

kleinbl00  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. They definitely talk about having Dr. Manhattan the same way we talked about having "The Bomb" prior to 1949. However, there's no "balance of power" involved in Dr. Manhattan to shape history from 1949 until 1986, and most of the World's history was shaped by that. With only one Dr. Manhattan, he means a lot more than nuclear weaponry.

I don't think Dr. Manhattan chose to make his body un-human - after all, he spent months painstakingly reassembling it from the aether. I think he got "close enough" and stopped. Dr. Manhattan, after all, drifts further and further away from humanity. "Brilliant blue skin and no pupils in his eyes" is only foreshadowing.

briandmyers  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The blue skin and marked forehead also clearly suggest godhood, making it a good literary device as well as being a superhero-y appearance.

kleinbl00  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

flagamuffin  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In some ways quite explicitly!

    I've always wondered why Jon chose to make his body so un-human - surely he could have done it differently if he wished? Maybe just a literary device.

I think ... why would he make it human? He's not human anymore and doesn't attach any special significance to the word human. If anything I think the fact that his body is still recognizably that of man is a literary device that Moore needed to have him interacting with other people semi-normally.

briandmyers  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

His distancing of himself from the rest of humanity is also shown through his shedding of his costume bit by bit over time.

flagamuffin  ·  2236 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Definitely. Foreshadowing.