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comment by kleinbl00

A few problems with this analysis.

1) Most every movie critic was in on the joke. Consider: We'd lived through Red Dawn. We'd lived through not just Iron Eagle but Iron Eagle II. Top Gun celebrates gloriously when Tom Cruise stops patting Val Kilmer's ass just long enough to provoke the Soviets more than the Cuban Missile Crisis (yay!). The baseline of INSANE JINGOISM was several meters above Verheuven's high water mark. A European audience might have been sensitive enough to register the satire^1 but c'mon - American audiences had seen Lea Thompson firing an M60 at a Soviet helicopter years before. Starship Troopers came out nine years after Red Scorpion, a movie so right wing it took Jack Abramoff to produce it ( I shit you not ).

2) The source material was not. Starship Troopers is a paean to war, always has been. If you like it, you're immune to satire. Joe Haldeman was so bothered by it he wrote The Forever War in response (now that's satire!). Verheuven's take with the material was seen as disrespectful by the true believers and half-hearted by the objectors. It was a disappointment after Robocop, which handled many of the same themes much less squeamishly. Hell, his treatment of the subject was weaker than Flesh and Blood from 15 years earlier.

3) The enemy in Starship Troopers is clearly, obviously, unconditionally hostile. The nuance necessary to paint anything like satire across the story is wiped out by the fact that "the bugs" are super-stupid-crazy bad. And the politics of the original book - and boy howdy, are there politics - are erased by the movie. Whereas the book was an exploration for the needs of totalitarianism, Starship Troopers is "America Fuck Yeah" with only the driest attempt at tongue-in-cheek. Not only that, but you have an un-nuanced director attempting to get satire out of Caspar Van Diem, Denise Richards, Jake Busey and Doogie Howser back when he was still in the closet. You give that script to Harold Ramis and cast John Cusack, Jaime Pressly, Adam Baldwin and - hey fuck it - Doogie Howser and you might just see the satire.

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(1) I have always found it amusing that Luc Besson created La Femme Nikita as a sendup of "american style" action films only to discover Americans were so clueless that they remade it as Point of No Return. And then La Femme Nikita. And then Nikita. Talk about beating a dead horse. Seriously? You think this is the audience that's going to get the joke? The audience you made this for?





mu-  ·  3816 days ago  ·  link  ·  

> The enemy in Starship Troopers is clearly, obviously, unconditionally hostile. The nuance necessary to paint anything like satire across the story is wiped out by the fact that "the bugs" are super-stupid-crazy bad.

> As the United Citizen Federation expanded its territory across the Galaxy, it came into contact with the Arachnid Species covering an area of it. The Federation initially considered the Arachnids to be a less advanced civilization, however, to avoid conflict, the region of space the Arachnids had colonized was Quarantined to prevent any humans settling within it. Despite this unofficial colonies were created, on Arachnid planets often ending in the Arachnid attacks of these poorly defended colonies leading to massacres such as at Port Joe Smith. In response to these intrusions into Arachnid colonies, the Arachnids launched an Meteor Attack on Buenos Aires. This led to the Bug War, and the Second Bug War.

Perhaps the bug response was an overreaction, but the human's response, a full-scale war with intent of complete xenocide, was orders of magnitude more so.

Perhaps this point was made a little too subtly, perhaps it was just subtle enough. Personally I didn't find the movie very subtle satire at all, but if the movie was a satire subtle enough to fool as many as it did, to me that just makes it better satire to me.

kleinbl00  ·  3816 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're quoting from the Starship Troopers Wiki, not the movie. ex post facto fan BS is irrelevant to the point.

AlderaanDuran  ·  3816 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Put stuff in pipes to quote it here on Hubski, the ">" doesn't work. Use the pipe character on each end of what you want in quoted text with no space. It's the one on the \ key normally if you shift+ it.

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humanodon  ·  3816 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is The Forever War worth reading? By the way, did you know that someone also made a Starship Troopers 2 and Starship Troopers 3 as well as Starship Troopers: Invasion?

I think it's pretty safe to say the joke was not got by a fair few.

kleinbl00  ·  3816 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Totally worth reading. A seminal book, in fact.

I was aware of the additional Starship Troopers. Like I said, Caspar van Diem.