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francopoli  ·  1 hour ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How fear of falling explains love of Trump

College degrees, even with all the art students are starbucks, still offer lots of open doors for jobs.

People without degrees are being left behind. When the option is fight like a cornered animal or starve, the human survival animal kicks in.

    The divorces I've watched among couples where both have been to college have been largely no-fault, no-contest, civil affairs.

If you are like me, those couples got married later in life, say mid 20's. About the mid 20's is when the emotional cortex starts to take a second place to the thinking brain. The most horrible marriage I know of is a couple that got married at 16 and the whole relationship was based on the emotional lashing out of two people that never got the chance to develop the logic components of dealing with emotions. The couple is on the far outskirts of the friend group and every story I hear about them points to a home life of pure emotional torture and hell.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How fear of falling explains love of Trump

    As I understand it, once the researchers came to this point, they basically said, "welp, we have no idea what changed but culture is different" and they're not wrong.

Anecdote is not the singular of data, but I have a hypothesis. I have a circle of friends that involve people making six figures. They will NEVER get married. One guy will not even let women in his condo. Having watched a few people we know get divorce raped, and dealing with three of them sucking on a firearm in the aftermath, I'm wondering how many men my age and younger are looking at the risks of marriage and saying "No Fucking Way." Prenups in the USA are worthless and not worth the legal fees of setting them up and family courts hate fathers. Nobody gets married thinking that they are getting divorced, and not all marriages fail etc but that fear is there.

I'd be curious to see if anyone has done any studies on the impact of the courts and divorce law on marriage rates.

kleinbl00  ·  7 hours ago  ·  link  ·  

I will 100% assert that there's a bright dividing line at "college grad" on that one, too. The divorces I've watched among couples where both have been to college have been largely no-fault, no-contest, civil affairs. The divorces I've watched among couples where even one member has not finished a college diploma are trench warfare. I will even assert that as the assets go up amongst the uncolleged, the combat ratchets up. The college-educated side generally lawyers up more successfully but the lawyers on both sides get rich.

francopoli  ·  1 hour ago  ·  link  ·  

College degrees, even with all the art students are starbucks, still offer lots of open doors for jobs.

People without degrees are being left behind. When the option is fight like a cornered animal or starve, the human survival animal kicks in.

    The divorces I've watched among couples where both have been to college have been largely no-fault, no-contest, civil affairs.

If you are like me, those couples got married later in life, say mid 20's. About the mid 20's is when the emotional cortex starts to take a second place to the thinking brain. The most horrible marriage I know of is a couple that got married at 16 and the whole relationship was based on the emotional lashing out of two people that never got the chance to develop the logic components of dealing with emotions. The couple is on the far outskirts of the friend group and every story I hear about them points to a home life of pure emotional torture and hell.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Do Public Universities Really Favor the Upper Middle Class?

I need to sit my fat ass down and read this damn book.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Do Public Universities Really Favor the Upper Middle Class?

To succeed in college requires 12 years of training in a good elementary school up through high school. A good education leaves you with the ability to read, write, form an opinion, present that opinion as an argument, seek new info and test the validity of new data. A good education up to high school also teaches good study skills, discipline, setting goals, and performing tasks in order.

If you go to a shit school district, odds are that you are not going to get this root set of skills. Even if you make it to a college, you will fall behind the other kids that did go to good schools. This is why there are remedial math, English, reading and writing classes for kids that need to get caught up.

I will leave it to the reader to make guesses on the socioeconomic status of the kids in good schools versus poor schools.

kleinbl00  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

No guesswork necessary. We got graphs'n'studies'n'shit.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

I need to sit my fat ass down and read this damn book.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: US Senator John McCain diagnosed with brain cancer

    Being hostile to Americans seems to be a trait of Republicans.

Taking care of people and the environment is bad business that hurts profit margins and stock prices.

StillWaters  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

The paradox is that it isn't.

With regard to people, economics highlights that people are the main basis for growing your economy - having a healthy age division, good education, good health, good health coverage, etc.

With regard to the environment, the cost of not taking care of the environment is considerable because it negatively impacts other aspects. Furthermore, if one looks at Europe many nations have seen an increase in manufacturing and jobs linked to especially renewable energy.

These are reasons that OECD and IMF are pushing for universal health care cover and better education. And shareholders in many major corporations (Shell and BP spring to mind) are pushing the businesses to focus even more on the environment and green energy.

The problem is that the Republicans are driven by out-of-date thinking and sponsored by individuals more focused on asset stripping the country than building a stronger economy.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: US Senator John McCain diagnosed with brain cancer

Changing one's opinions and outlook on life is not a bad thing, despite calls of 'flip flop' that the media throws out when new facts are presented and people change their outlooks. When confronted with new data, the ability to use your common sense, logic and reason to change conclusions is a true sign of adulthood, IMO.

McCain was against MLK day in Arizona because his constituency is elderly racists. As we used to say back home, Arizona is a drier, whiter, more racist Florida. His stance was a full 15 years, nearly a generation, after MLK was killed and nonviolent protest and engagement won the initial battles for civil rights. If he said these things in 1973, I might give him a pass as it was still too early to see if the civil rights movements were going to devolve into open warfare or not. Robert Byrd was a full on upper level leader in the KKK that then turned into one of the most progressive people in the Senate. Byrd spent the greater part of four decades working to seek, if not forgiveness, then at least reconciliation for his past. I don't see that in McCain.

My problem is not that he changed. My problem is that the media is in love with the guy and a lot of his history is going to be washed into the memory hole by all his media buddies and he is going to be painted as some noble moderate Republican when he was really not. McCain has never really had a spine from what I was able to see and only stood up when he thought it could get him closer to the White House. And I say this as a guy who wanted McCain 2000 to be the nominee.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: July 19, 2017

What do you think of the book so far? I was amazed at how easy of a read it was for me way back when.

keifermiller  ·  16 hours ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not really far enough in yet to feel comfortable talking about the contents. Some of it is forward thinking, other bits have seemed naive and cold. We'll see how he progresses both strands.

The form of those contents are pretty accessible though. He spends a few paragraphs writing in plain language to establish a notion and then moves on to what that development enables him to talk about.

It is a conversational work. I wasn't expecting that.

keifermiller  ·  16 hours ago  ·  link  ·  
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francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: US Senator John McCain diagnosed with brain cancer

McCain has really good PR People that have helped whitewash him as a 'maverick' but his only principle in his career was "be president."

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: US Senator John McCain diagnosed with brain cancer

Considering he fucked over California to take Colorado River water to build golf courses in the Arizona desert, yea fuck that guy. Oh and all the other terrible shit like fighting Planned Parenthood, fighting to keep MLK day out of Arizona and rolling over on the Bush Tax Cuts. And after Karl Rove spread some evil nasty shit about him, yea no backbone when it mattered.

yellowoftops  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

It's true that as a congressman in 1983, McCain voted against making Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a national holiday. He was on the losing end of a 338 to 90 vote in the House of Representatives.

McCain no longer stands by that vote. On April 4, 2008 — the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King's death — McCain said the vote was wrong in a speech he gave in Memphis, the city where King died.

"We can be slow as well to give greatness its due, a mistake I myself made long ago when I voted against a federal holiday in memory of Dr. King. I was wrong," he said, to loud reaction from the crowd. "I was wrong, and eventually realized it in time to give full support — full support — for a state holiday in my home state of Arizona. I'd remind you that we can all be a little late sometimes in doing the right thing, and Dr. King understood this about his fellow Americans."

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

Changing one's opinions and outlook on life is not a bad thing, despite calls of 'flip flop' that the media throws out when new facts are presented and people change their outlooks. When confronted with new data, the ability to use your common sense, logic and reason to change conclusions is a true sign of adulthood, IMO.

McCain was against MLK day in Arizona because his constituency is elderly racists. As we used to say back home, Arizona is a drier, whiter, more racist Florida. His stance was a full 15 years, nearly a generation, after MLK was killed and nonviolent protest and engagement won the initial battles for civil rights. If he said these things in 1973, I might give him a pass as it was still too early to see if the civil rights movements were going to devolve into open warfare or not. Robert Byrd was a full on upper level leader in the KKK that then turned into one of the most progressive people in the Senate. Byrd spent the greater part of four decades working to seek, if not forgiveness, then at least reconciliation for his past. I don't see that in McCain.

My problem is not that he changed. My problem is that the media is in love with the guy and a lot of his history is going to be washed into the memory hole by all his media buddies and he is going to be painted as some noble moderate Republican when he was really not. McCain has never really had a spine from what I was able to see and only stood up when he thought it could get him closer to the White House. And I say this as a guy who wanted McCain 2000 to be the nominee.

StillWaters  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

Being hostile to Americans seems to be a trait of Republicans. Guess in my mind his tendency to criticize Trump and his illness puts him in a better light than most of the current Republicans.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

    Being hostile to Americans seems to be a trait of Republicans.

Taking care of people and the environment is bad business that hurts profit margins and stock prices.

StillWaters  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·  

The paradox is that it isn't.

With regard to people, economics highlights that people are the main basis for growing your economy - having a healthy age division, good education, good health, good health coverage, etc.

With regard to the environment, the cost of not taking care of the environment is considerable because it negatively impacts other aspects. Furthermore, if one looks at Europe many nations have seen an increase in manufacturing and jobs linked to especially renewable energy.

These are reasons that OECD and IMF are pushing for universal health care cover and better education. And shareholders in many major corporations (Shell and BP spring to mind) are pushing the businesses to focus even more on the environment and green energy.

The problem is that the Republicans are driven by out-of-date thinking and sponsored by individuals more focused on asset stripping the country than building a stronger economy.

francopoli  ·  1 day ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: July 19, 2017

francopoli  ·  3 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Smegma - Glamour Girl 1941 (Full Album) - YouTube

Not clicking on a video with Smegma in the title.

francopoli  ·  3 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: 236th Weekly "Share Some Music You've Been Into Lately" Thread

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francopoli  ·  3 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Health Care Overhaul Collapses as Two Republican Senators Defect

Interestingly enough neither man is up for reelection this year.

keifermiller  ·  3 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Moran grew up out where my grandparents lived. He's maintained his ties out there. It's not super hard to see why he's against this if you've spent much time there: a part of their experience is one of going to the rural hospital only to find out that there are no doctors in the building because the money isn't there.

Packed town hall in Palco, Kan., urges Moran to stand firm against GOP health bill

    “I’m elected as a Republican but I’m a member of a minority. And that minority is Kansas. That minority is rural,” said Moran, who grew up in the nearby town of Plainville and won 87 percent of the vote in Rooks County in November’s election.

    “I understand the value of a hospital in your community, a physician in your town, a pharmacy on main street,” Moran said.

...pared with, a bit later in the article...

    Jeff Zamrzla, a 59-year-old veteran from Salina, pressed Moran on why Congress does not pursue a “Medicare for All” plan.

    “It would work. … The system’s already in place,” said Zamrzla, who noted that his cousin works in Moran’s Wichita office.

    Moran said the federal government needs to ensure the stability of Medicaid and Medicare for the programs’ current beneficiaries before expanding the federal health program.

    Eleanor McMindes, an 86-year-old retired teacher from Hays, said she’s known the Moran family for decades. She said the bill’s impact on rural hospitals, which are already struggling, is a major concern.

    “In western Kansas we have a lot of hospitals that cannot even afford to have a doctor on duty. Our doctors from Hays go out there like a day at a time,” she said.

Or a different article on the same town hall:

Constituents urge Moran to maintain opposition to Senate health care bill at packed town hall

    Bob Cox, of Hays, was the pediatrician for Moran’s daughters. He drove from nearby Hays to advocate for more spending on health care. Cox said he and his wife, Sheryl, are Republicans, but that they rarely vote for Republicans anymore. Cox said the two voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election and that he supported a single-payer health care system.

    During the town hall, Cox asked Moran why the U.S. spends resources on military readiness to protect citizens from external threats while leaving health care to “a for-profit system failing to meet some needs.”

My favorite quote from the Star article:

    Armin Kelly, a 70-year-old retired veterinarian from Plainville, said the GOP bill takes money away from people who need it to pay for a tax cut. Kelly said he knew Moran’s parents well and traced his opposition to the bill partly to his upbringing.

    “They’re salt-of-the-earth-type people and that puts Jerry in a difficult position,” he said. “You know, he’s intelligent. He’s informed. He’s a very nice man and so now, he’s a Republican, which puts him in a difficult position.”

Which isn't to say that he doesn't have cognitive dissonance, or that his constituents don't. The same area went handily to Trump. They still want to Repeal and Replace. But they're not willing to shoot their own feet to do it.

Well that was a fuck up. Fixed.