I couldn't agree more, and I love the discussion. I suppose that's why I threw this out there. I don't like to fight, it's just not worth it. But I do love the pondering, the analysis, and the sharing of ideas. I'm nothing special, but I thought if I "came out" on hubski about being a mormon clergyman it might spark some discussion, especially given the situation in the GOP. it's gonna be fun when we do meet - too many good hubski topics, and I still owe you a drink at the whiskey bar.I've not met you (yet) steve, but I would love to talk religion with you someday. Not to debate, not to prosthelytize but just to discuss. There's no need to debate, it always comes down to "I have faith and you don't". It can't be discussed on the plain of logic.