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kleinbl00  ·  1539 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Boys today. Oof. (seriously intense article)

Yeah I dunno, man. Orenstein has been useless and counterproductive for a couple decades now. I'm no fan of danah boyd but useless as boyd is, she's an order of magnitude more useful than Orenstein.

Orenstein got her start with the argument "women's lives are shit because little girls' lives are shit because men". She wrote an entire book pretending that the '60s, '70s and '80s never happened.

Nobody dares criticize this account because we live in an era where trust fund kids can steal Beastie Boys music and it becomes the musicians' fault for interfering in girlSTEM

But occasionally someone says "but little boys don't start out evil I love my son" so she pivoted to "boys are being destroyed by toxic masculinity because of their fathers."

Don't get me wrong: these are important discussions and there is plenty of useful journalism about it. it's just that Orenstein can't be bothered to read it.