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FINALLY got OpenGL to do what I want again, thanks to rob05c. I would have got it right much quicker if I stopped bothering with glRotatef for camera rotation sooner, which I'm still confused about but gluLookAt serves fine. Next step I think is textures, but first I'm going to make a shader manager thingy mainly to remember the index/ids/locations of uniforms, and maybe attribs later depending on what they are haha. So I'm back in charted territories for now which is a treat. And we have a desktop on our local network with a bunch of movies + all of Breaking Bad on it hosted on it, so there's a movie and BB frenzy around the house. I just watched S4 E11(penultimate), it was great. Any Breaking Bad fans in here?