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user-inactivated  ·  3709 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How long does it take you to read a book?

    That said, I would say that fantasy is graded more easily than sci fi, and sci fi gets softballed.
Boy oh boy do I agree with this. Got 400 interchangeable characters with names that hold no meaningful linguistic pattern? Words for the sake of words? No plot exposition until book three because True Fans of the genre will have stuck around that long and no one else matters? Must be a shining example of the fantasy genre. Malazan, looking at you.

That will of course backfire if you're one of the 14 vocal Malazan apologists currently alive.

    My problem with The Hobbit is it was a lot of singing and dancing and funny languages and twee little things that had nothing to do with plot or characterization. That's my beef with Tolkien - he was all about "here are things that are cool with the scarcest of plots to tie them together." Dragon Slayer had more plot than the Hobbit and it was like 75 minutes long.

Yeah, I mean an argument can be made that Tolkien shone when he wrote mythology rather than fantasy. His fantasy is famously (literally) black and white, but his mythology is much more complicated. The Silmarillion has tragic heroes, characters with shades of grey to them, moral issues. Lord of the Rings has the best telling of the hero's journey archetype ever written, but the bad guys are the bad guys. Tolkien knew all this and didn't mind too much.

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Haven't read Earthsea, oddly, but that's an accurate portrayal of Game of Thrones. I enjoy it for that reason, although it's a grind and I don't exactly consider it fantasy. Fantasy is often about escapism and frankly, fuck escaping into A Song of Ice and Fire. I'll take real life.

    When you've got all of magic to work with, you'd think you'd be able to come up with something compelling.

We may have found something upon which you agree with Eliezer Yudkowsky.